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Friday, September 16, 2005

David Brock comes after me. 
In this case, he's shooting blanks.

By way of rebuttal to my assertion that the federal response to Katrina was faster and more voluminous than the federal response to Andrew and any other storm I knew of, Brock musters the anecdotal evidence of a single column by Leonard Pitts, a Miami Herald columnist who's home was damaged by Andrew.

Pitts recalls that there was a FEMA truck with water on it the day after Andrew came through.

All well and good. But Pitts is a Miami Herald columnist. What are the chances he lives in Homestead, where the devastation was really great, and which was all but cut off from ground transportation for days after the storm? Not good.

See, you could get trucks down to Miami the day after the storm. It was logistically possible to do so. It was not logistically possible to get trucks to the hardest hit areas of Homestead, unless they happened to be within throwing distance of one of the exits on the Turnpike. But I-95 does not extend further than Miami. And even with all the challenges, the approaches to Homestead did not rely on a system of bridges and causeways that had been removed from the surface of the earth.

So I'll see Pitt's recollection, and I'll raise him the recollection of actual Homestead residents who live and still live on 300th street (Just south of Avocado, in Homestead) who tell me they saw no evidence of a Federal presence for more than a week. They were completely cut off. "The only thing we saw for two weeks was a church bus." I think eventually a Guardsman came by and asked if they had any dead.

I'll also raise you 30 aircraft and 40 boats boats which the Coast Guard had prepositioned outside the strike zone on the 28th of August, well before the storm even hit.

I'll also raise you the teams of rescue squads and medical personnel that FEMA already had positioned just outside the area before the storm even hit. More specifically, I'll raise you 23 Medical Assistance teams that FEMA had staged outside the storm area before the storm. They moved in when the roads were clear.

I'll also raise you the fact that at 3:45 pm the day of the storm FEMA could not come up with a damage assessment, because "We could not get a team downtown."

If you can't get a few SUVs in, what are the chances you are going to get a serious convoy into town, that day? How reasonable is it to expect that? The water level in St. Bernard Parish had reached the 2nd story of the courthouse. Ok, Brock, even in the South, with its monster truck jams, I've not seen the rig that I'm willing to send into that. I don't care what seal is painted on the side. Have you?

I'll also raise you seven urban search and rescue teams from all over the country that were prepositioned in Shreveport. By the 30th, three more were in the process of deploying.

I'll also raise you more than 390 trucks, which were dispatched by the Department of Transportation, and which began deliveries in affected areas reachable by roads by the 30th. That's two days. 48 hours. Maybe a little more, since the hurricane hit in the morning of the 28th (But didn't clear the coastline until that afternoon, so any movement was impossible, even to clear roads along the coast, until that afternoon or evening).

48 hours is on the front end of the 48-72 hour window local officials are told to expect before federal logistics can be brought to bear. That was an excellent performance at the federal level by any reasonable standard. (Ever seen 390 trucks loaded at the same time, Brock? Do you know what it takes? How many warehouses have enough forklifts to do that in a day?)

I'll further raise you 2 helicopter squadrons from the USS Bataan, which were deployed by the evening of the 30th. Again, roughly 48-56 hours after the storm passed. Since these helos had to be boated in, that's not bad.

I'll further raise you a forward air control unit which was also on the ground within the 72 hour window, to set up lights at New Orleans Airport so it could operate round the clock. Yes, this is normally a state and local responsibility. But the Federal level stepped in with the assistance needed, and did so within its standard timeline.

I'll further raise you the fact that Governor Blanco did not request federal troops to help with law and order until the 31st.

Now, Brock, are you going to argue that the federal response to Andrew compared favorably? You're gonna have to do better than the anecdotal evidence of someone who was probably well north of the most critical area. Hell, he probably lived near one of the STAGING areas for supporting Homestead.

Brock should probably just admit he's out of his league here, and go back to spinning stains on dresses.

See also Jack Kelly's response.

Splash, out

Jason

Comments:
This idiot!! The USS Comfort (hospital ship from Baltimore that he mentions) is a reserve ship. If it had been dispatched any earlier than when it was, it would have arrived without medical staff or medical supplies.

He also completely confuses response times with activities done in advance that get the response moving in the first place (another loud mouth with no understanding of logistics).

He cites one incidental account of a well-known Bush administration critic to back up his claim that the feds moved faster in 1992 - a guy who is giving the 1992 FEMA credit for the state response. The same fellow goes on to cite a woman blaming the federal government because she's too stupid to leave her split-in-two house because she seemingly thinks FEMA should have rebuilt her home for her by now.

Funny how he can find a timeline for the breaking of the levies now, when his publication, along with every other major media source, didn't hear about it any sooner than Tuesday at the time. Why do they expect the FEMA guys to have found it out any sooner if those reports weren't making it out of the city to anyone else?

The fact that New Orleans owns 700 school buses and not 2000 (which could conservatively lift 28,000 at a time)happens to justify (in this guy's mind) not evacuating anyone with them? And the fact that 20% of the school buses are 'broken down' isn't the mayor's fault either?

He ignores the fact that the guardsmen from other states need time to mobilize and move to the disaster area. Assuming he's correct (and I don't) that those from New Mexico were offered the day before the hurricane, it would still take 3-4 days to mobilize them and move them into the effected areas (again, no sense of logistics). It's not like the Guard in New Mexico sits around the armory waiting to react to the next huricane to hit them.
 
Now, Brock, are you going to argue that the federal response to Andrew compared favorably?

No, he's just going to drop this little nugget and then never touch the discussion again. Par for the course.

=darwin
 
Let's add to that the Chief of Naval Operations comments:


We've been there since practically before the storm made landfall -- BATAAN chased it in weathering 12-14 foot seas and began flying SAR missions within hours of the storm's departure -- and we are still there making a difference.


http://www.indepundit.com/archive2/2005/09/a_message_from.html#
 
Arguing with liberals over facts is like carrying on a conversation with a pet mouse.

Homestead was flat after the storm, about 200,000 houses were damaged or destroyed by Andrew, the local roads were inpassable for weeks. The damage in the upper keys is still visible today.

I forget her name, but the TV scenes of the Miami-Dade EOC coordinator pleading for help days after the hurricane probably never happened in the libs world.

After all, Mr. Lewinsky was president.
 
Actually, George Herbert Walker Bush was president for Andrew, which happened in 1992. Clinton did not win the election until two months after the storm, and then took office in January 2003.

Jason
 
You rock, dude.

Subsunk
 
What's weird, or not, is that the media coverage and locals reactions were exactly the same after Andrew as they are with Katrina.

I saw a History Channel special on Andrew a week ago, blogged it, natch, and was stunned at how the media depicted the local citizenry as hostile to Bush I and how Bush I's administration was too slow to respond.

Just like now.

I guess hurricanes have always been bad politics for Republicans.
 
Jason, I think you might be off by 10 years (1993 vs 2003).

Best.
 
Pitts is an idiot. Thus, basing anything on anything Pitts has to say makes that person even more of an idiot.

I lived through Andrew in Miami. Homestead was completely unmanueverable after the hurricane. All trees were down, no roadsigns, no landmarks easily discrened. I have live in South dade my whole life and even a week after Andrew got lost as I travelled through areas that I knew.
 
Er, yeah. Clinton took office in 1993. That's it.

In other news, I'm going to stop huffing paint today.

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Young at Heart : Regardless of your age, if you start acting too old, you will actually not benefit yourself at all.

Body Fat : When you think about losing weight, more importantly than weight is the amount of fat you are carrying around.

Do Not Forget the Teeth : Often the care of teeth and gums is overlooked as potential health risks.

Be Careful with the Sun : Everyone loves basking in the warm sun, especially if it is lying on a beautiful sandy beach.

Give your Eyes a Rest : Most jobs in today's society require the use of a computer.

Breast Exams : Make sure you conduct regular breast examines.

Make Time for Intimacy : If you are married, be sure to make time for intimacy in your relationship.

Puffy Eyes : If you battle with puffy eyes or dark circles that make you look worn out, do not feel alone.

FITNESS : Fitness is just as important as health, and in reality, fitness correlates directly with our health.

Squats : Squats are excellent for glutes, hamstrings, quads, and calves.

Get to the Gym : Working out at home is a good option and for some people

Get Ready to Run : Before any workout, always warm up.

Resistance : The next time you work out try adding some resistance to your routine.

Be Realistic : It would be great to be able to jump right into a hard workout, feel great, and see instant results.

Bowling : Get some exercise by joining a bowling league.

Fitness and Food : Certain foods provide specific benefits for people who workout.

Diabetes and Exercise : Aerobic exercise can actually be beneficial for people with diabetes.

Check your Pulse : As you exercise, it is to your advantage to keep track of your pulse rate.

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