Sunday, August 14, 2005
Cindy Sheehan slandering her son's memory
I hadn't commented on Cindy Sheehan before, because I really thought it was a nonstory. She's one of nearly two thousand moms who lost a child in Iraq, and she's just one of tens of thousands of war protesters. And it's great that we live in a country where she's free to camp out Crawford and protest the war.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being against the war (depending on the reasoning) and there's nothing wrong with protesting, if you feel that way. And the grief of a mother should be respected.
But Now she's dragging the Israelis into this?
And thinking she doesn't have to pay taxes for 2004?
Yeah, right.
Pay your taxes out of the death gratuity, you nutjob.
If I were the anti-war movement I'd be backing away from this lady very slowly before she costs us any more credibility.
I just don't get this over-the-top, shameless, "everything-but-the-kitchen sink" rhetoric.
War crimes?
If George Bush is guilty of war crimes, then guess who it is who executed his orders?
Yes, her son, and others like him. She slanders her own son's memory.
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But Now she's dragging the Israelis into this?
And thinking she doesn't have to pay taxes for 2004?
Sheehan, who is asking for a second meeting with President Bush, says defiantly: "My son was killed in 2004. I am not paying my taxes for 2004. You killed my son, George Bush, and I don't owe you a penny...you give my son back and I'll pay my taxes. Come after me (for back taxes) and we'll put this war on trial."
Yeah, right.
Pay your taxes out of the death gratuity, you nutjob.
If I were the anti-war movement I'd be backing away from this lady very slowly before she costs us any more credibility.
I just don't get this over-the-top, shameless, "everything-but-the-kitchen sink" rhetoric.
War crimes?
If George Bush is guilty of war crimes, then guess who it is who executed his orders?
Yes, her son, and others like him. She slanders her own son's memory.
Splash, out
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This is a problem with either side of political activism. If your Liberal cause gets large enough, eventually the Mumia People and the "Free Palestine" people and the Critical Mass people and the Marijuana Legalization people with big paper puppet heads will show up and turn the place into a freakshow. Likewise, at a suitably large conservative movement the Fourth Amendment people, the John Birchers, the Intelligent Design/Anti-Evolution folks, the Christian Zionists, the "Everything Is Still Clinton's Fault" people, and the "stockpile gold, kerosene, and MREs in your basement" survivalists will turn your place into a freakshow.
Of course Cindy seems to have taken up their cause rather than tell them to get lost, which is unfortunate since it middies the waters and prevents her original grievance from being taken seriously: "Why did my son have to die in a war that couldn't be sold on truth alone?"
Of course Cindy seems to have taken up their cause rather than tell them to get lost, which is unfortunate since it middies the waters and prevents her original grievance from being taken seriously: "Why did my son have to die in a war that couldn't be sold on truth alone?"
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: 6:43 PM
: 6:43 PM
If George Bush is guilty of war crimes, then guess who it is who executed his orders?
I'm not sure which war crimes Cindy is accusing George Bush of. *I* accuse Bush, Rumsfeld, et al of (among other things) setting policies to hide detainees from the Red Cross, which is a war crime. If Cindy's son did this, he is a war criminal and she is correctly accusing her son. Casey Sheehan was a recent arrival and in combat in Sadr City when he was killed, which makes it unlikely that he's guilty of the crimes that I accuse Bush of. (I can't speak for Cindy Sheehan.)
I'm not sure which war crimes Cindy is accusing George Bush of. *I* accuse Bush, Rumsfeld, et al of (among other things) setting policies to hide detainees from the Red Cross, which is a war crime. If Cindy's son did this, he is a war criminal and she is correctly accusing her son. Casey Sheehan was a recent arrival and in combat in Sadr City when he was killed, which makes it unlikely that he's guilty of the crimes that I accuse Bush of. (I can't speak for Cindy Sheehan.)
# posted by : 6:54 PM
: 6:54 PM
jason, i don't agree either with your sentiments or your dismissal of Cindy Sheehan as a nutjob or a disgracer of her son's memory.
There are many types of power in this world: George Bush commands one type, Cindy Sheehan another. God bless her for using it. When we've all shut up and complacently accepted the death and destruction that our country's invasion and occupation of Iraq has engendered, this will cease to be a democracy. Cindy Sheehan has every right to demand the cowardly president speak with her, to not pay her taxes and to pronouce on Israel, just as you have every right to make your pronouncements criticizing those with whom you disagree.
Cindy's son, like mine who is also is Iraq, must follow orders. He has joined up, trusting that the leadership that commanded his life was honorable, honest and would use that gift as a precious resource. We mothers have not taken any such loyalty oath. We have every right to question, grill, doubt and disobey our leaders. In the end, a mother's grief might be enough to open people's eyes to what they have been avoiding, the cost of war. For every Cindy Sheehan here, there are a hundred like her in Iraq.
What in hell have we done?
There are many types of power in this world: George Bush commands one type, Cindy Sheehan another. God bless her for using it. When we've all shut up and complacently accepted the death and destruction that our country's invasion and occupation of Iraq has engendered, this will cease to be a democracy. Cindy Sheehan has every right to demand the cowardly president speak with her, to not pay her taxes and to pronouce on Israel, just as you have every right to make your pronouncements criticizing those with whom you disagree.
Cindy's son, like mine who is also is Iraq, must follow orders. He has joined up, trusting that the leadership that commanded his life was honorable, honest and would use that gift as a precious resource. We mothers have not taken any such loyalty oath. We have every right to question, grill, doubt and disobey our leaders. In the end, a mother's grief might be enough to open people's eyes to what they have been avoiding, the cost of war. For every Cindy Sheehan here, there are a hundred like her in Iraq.
What in hell have we done?
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: 6:57 PM
It is possible that Cindy Sheehan is ignorant about "have to follow orders".
It is also possible that the only thing she sees as heroic about her son's death is that it will further her anti-war, anti-Jewish movement.
Spc. Casey Sheehan, 24, born in Bellflower, Calif., who listed Vacaville, Calif., as his home of record. A light wheeled vehicle mechanic with C Battery, 1st Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, Sheehan entered the Army on Aug. 31, 2000, and had been stationed at Fort Hood since Nov. 10, 2001.
From the Washington Post article:
Her son's aunt and godmother released a statement, accusing Sheehan of promoting her agenda at the expense of her son's name.
"We don't agree with anything she's doing," said Frank Sheehan, Casey's grandfather. "As far as we're concerned, Casey was a hero and she's dragging him through the mud."
It is also possible that the only thing she sees as heroic about her son's death is that it will further her anti-war, anti-Jewish movement.
Spc. Casey Sheehan, 24, born in Bellflower, Calif., who listed Vacaville, Calif., as his home of record. A light wheeled vehicle mechanic with C Battery, 1st Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, Sheehan entered the Army on Aug. 31, 2000, and had been stationed at Fort Hood since Nov. 10, 2001.
From the Washington Post article:
Her son's aunt and godmother released a statement, accusing Sheehan of promoting her agenda at the expense of her son's name.
"We don't agree with anything she's doing," said Frank Sheehan, Casey's grandfather. "As far as we're concerned, Casey was a hero and she's dragging him through the mud."
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: 7:56 PM
I can empathize for an individual who has lost a loved one. I cannot sympathize for any individual who ignores reality and acts based entirely on emotion. Such individuals are animals waiting only to die; we survive to the degree that we are aware of reality and act accordingly. Millions of people like this exist, the only thing special about this case is that this woman has nation-wide media coverage.
I haven't read all of these comments so I am not sure if anyone has noted this, maybe I even missed it in your original post, but I just read on AP-News that this lady's husband has filed for divorce recently. You mentioned how the anti-war movement should back away from this woman if it wasnts to save any appearance of dismal credibility...it looks as if this husband is stepping away from the nut-job as well.
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I haven't read all of these comments so I am not sure if anyone has noted this, maybe I even missed it in your original post, but I just read on AP-News that this lady's husband has filed for divorce recently. You mentioned how the anti-war movement should back away from this woman if it wasnts to save any appearance of dismal credibility...it looks as if this husband is stepping away from the nut-job as well.
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Thanks, Jason. I've been distressed over Cindy Sheehan's protest for a few days now, and your post allowed me to begin articulating my opinion. In short, as much as I recognize the wrong of her protest and, even more so, those who are attached to it, I can easily project my mom onto her. As a mother of a fallen soldier, her position is a sacred one, even if she and others are shamelessly exploiting it. If you plan on coming up to NYC, drop me a line - I'll buy you a drink and offer you a cot to sleep on.
My blog post about Cindy Sheehan:
I have strong feelings about Cindy Sheehan's protest. But balancing my great sympathy for her loss as an Army mom (I've had one of my own), my disgust over the petty exploitation of her grief and her son's death - twisting them into a perversion that aids the same intolerable enemy who killed her son and so many like him, my hatred of the groups who shamelessly use her as a shield for their own evil agendas, and my distress over the embarrassment caused to the honor of her son's service and sacrifice . . . it's not a commentary to be taken lightly nor expressed glibly.
I'll let Jason van Steenwyk at Iraqnow take this one for now, and if I can express my opinion accurately, I will.
In Mrs. Sheehan's defense, her son died as an American soldier. Mrs. Sheehan didn't volunteer, her son Casey did. He died in a tradition and as part of a heritage, and in a cause, she clearly does not and probably cannot understand. She can only interpret the life and death of her beloved son the best she is capable, and in that, I can't fault her. After all, I've had an Army mom, too, who was not a soldier and resisted giving her son to the Army. When Casey became a soldier, for whatever reason that motivated him, he entered a world and joined with a reality that is other than what she is.
Vaya con Dios, Specialist Sheehan. We, your brothers and sisters in arms, understand you and honor you. Your mother knows not what she does, but we love her just the same, as we love our moms who have borne the helpless weight of their love and their children's sacrifice.
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My blog post about Cindy Sheehan:
I have strong feelings about Cindy Sheehan's protest. But balancing my great sympathy for her loss as an Army mom (I've had one of my own), my disgust over the petty exploitation of her grief and her son's death - twisting them into a perversion that aids the same intolerable enemy who killed her son and so many like him, my hatred of the groups who shamelessly use her as a shield for their own evil agendas, and my distress over the embarrassment caused to the honor of her son's service and sacrifice . . . it's not a commentary to be taken lightly nor expressed glibly.
I'll let Jason van Steenwyk at Iraqnow take this one for now, and if I can express my opinion accurately, I will.
In Mrs. Sheehan's defense, her son died as an American soldier. Mrs. Sheehan didn't volunteer, her son Casey did. He died in a tradition and as part of a heritage, and in a cause, she clearly does not and probably cannot understand. She can only interpret the life and death of her beloved son the best she is capable, and in that, I can't fault her. After all, I've had an Army mom, too, who was not a soldier and resisted giving her son to the Army. When Casey became a soldier, for whatever reason that motivated him, he entered a world and joined with a reality that is other than what she is.
Vaya con Dios, Specialist Sheehan. We, your brothers and sisters in arms, understand you and honor you. Your mother knows not what she does, but we love her just the same, as we love our moms who have borne the helpless weight of their love and their children's sacrifice.
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