Sunday, November 28, 2004
The Anti-American view
Riverbend and Khalid Jarrar at Secrets in Baghdad are expressing the view of a lot of Iraqis.
Riverbend asks "where is Sistani? Why isn't he speaking out against the attack on Fallujah?"
Well, because Sistani knows it was Fallujah that was acting as a safe haven for those who would murder his people, the Shia. If Fallujans wanted more support from the Shia now, they could have thought of it before they burned their villages, drained their swamps, raped their women, murdered their men, and gave shelter and succor to Zarqawi and his henchmen who made a point of murdering Shia last year in a series of bombings.
Sistani knows who the enemies of his people are. It isn't the Americans.
Riverbend gets hysterical, but I can't say I blame her.
And it is important to note that their ARE human costs, and that not everyone in Fallujah was a combatant, by a long shot (though given how the insurgents were openly using mosques to construct car bombs, a lot of them were, in effect, coconspirators.)
But the plight of the families fleeing Fallujah, and the plight of those who could not flee, shouldn't be ignored.
Riverbend also suggests that there is no Al Zarqawi. Ok, maybe not. But SOMEONE is setting off car bombs at police stations and blowing up crowds of children and kidnapping, torturing, murdering, and mutilating women with aid organizations.
Maybe you don't call it "Zarqawi." But whatever IT is exists. And Falluja allowed it to live with them, and provided IT shelter, succor, and cover.
My heart goes out to the women and children of Fallujah. But they've had numerous chances and brought it on themselves. It was inevitable.
It's not nobility of spirit. It's stupidity. It's banality.
Maybe after what happened in Fallujah, people in other cities will be a little more reluctant to provide safe harbor to the terrorists.
I don't call all insurgents terrorists. I can respect an honest insurgent who attacks military targets because we're there.
But the term is fitting in Zarqawi's case.
I support hunting him down like the rat that he is because I care about Riverbend.
Splash, out
Jason
Riverbend asks "where is Sistani? Why isn't he speaking out against the attack on Fallujah?"
Well, because Sistani knows it was Fallujah that was acting as a safe haven for those who would murder his people, the Shia. If Fallujans wanted more support from the Shia now, they could have thought of it before they burned their villages, drained their swamps, raped their women, murdered their men, and gave shelter and succor to Zarqawi and his henchmen who made a point of murdering Shia last year in a series of bombings.
Sistani knows who the enemies of his people are. It isn't the Americans.
Riverbend gets hysterical, but I can't say I blame her.
And it is important to note that their ARE human costs, and that not everyone in Fallujah was a combatant, by a long shot (though given how the insurgents were openly using mosques to construct car bombs, a lot of them were, in effect, coconspirators.)
But the plight of the families fleeing Fallujah, and the plight of those who could not flee, shouldn't be ignored.
Riverbend also suggests that there is no Al Zarqawi. Ok, maybe not. But SOMEONE is setting off car bombs at police stations and blowing up crowds of children and kidnapping, torturing, murdering, and mutilating women with aid organizations.
Maybe you don't call it "Zarqawi." But whatever IT is exists. And Falluja allowed it to live with them, and provided IT shelter, succor, and cover.
My heart goes out to the women and children of Fallujah. But they've had numerous chances and brought it on themselves. It was inevitable.
It's not nobility of spirit. It's stupidity. It's banality.
Maybe after what happened in Fallujah, people in other cities will be a little more reluctant to provide safe harbor to the terrorists.
I don't call all insurgents terrorists. I can respect an honest insurgent who attacks military targets because we're there.
But the term is fitting in Zarqawi's case.
I support hunting him down like the rat that he is because I care about Riverbend.
Splash, out
Jason
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"My heart goes out to the women and children of Fallujah. But they've had numerous chances and brought it on themselves."
Jason, at some point I hope you might write a post about what you believe are the responsibilities of ordinary people in this situation. I have a lot of trouble with your statement above because although clearly there are people conspiring with and sheltering the terrorists and those particular people have indeed brought suffering upon themselves, as you pointed out that isn't everyone in the city by a long shot.
What is reasonable to expect of an ordinary person? There's the black and white case where someone sees a bomb being constructed right in front of them. But what about the grey case where all someone knows is that armed people are running amok, terrorists, thugs, petty criminals and ordinary people all lumped together? If someone's grandmother were transported to Falluja what would be her responsibilities --and what are the limits of that responsibility? What would she have to do that she not have "brought it upon herself"?
Thanks,
--Ana
Jason, at some point I hope you might write a post about what you believe are the responsibilities of ordinary people in this situation. I have a lot of trouble with your statement above because although clearly there are people conspiring with and sheltering the terrorists and those particular people have indeed brought suffering upon themselves, as you pointed out that isn't everyone in the city by a long shot.
What is reasonable to expect of an ordinary person? There's the black and white case where someone sees a bomb being constructed right in front of them. But what about the grey case where all someone knows is that armed people are running amok, terrorists, thugs, petty criminals and ordinary people all lumped together? If someone's grandmother were transported to Falluja what would be her responsibilities --and what are the limits of that responsibility? What would she have to do that she not have "brought it upon herself"?
Thanks,
--Ana
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